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Old 03-10-2010, 02:35 PM
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I see you've finally met Stanko111 lol, yeah I've had my share of run ins with him as well.. He's definitely a weird player and tough to put him on any single hand because he plays so many of them so weird.

But first off, I probably would only squeeze raise to about 14 by usually no more than 15, you normally WANT people to call you in this spot or RERAISE you thinking you're bluffing (if we feel like AK is pretty much the nuts at 6 max) so that you can eventually shove over them if they raise or call their shove if they 4bet shove you. And I'm guessing you probably realized after the hand that there's a much better chance he would've folded if you bet the flop, even if you didn't hit the flop.
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:39 PM
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not with another person flattin after the initial raise, my raise was fine u dont want to see 2 people at the flop
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:47 PM
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17 is still way too much preflop, they are the ones that are going to have the decision to play their hands post flop against your perceived range
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:41 PM
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you're a tard and need to start asking other people how much you should raise there if you are really thinking you should only be raising to 14 with that much in the pot already.

and im not being sarcastic ethan i really think you should ask some people you know about this hand.
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If people are set mining on you with what they think could be a smaller pocket pair than you have, then they say that usually in in every roughly 7.5 hands you're going to stack someone. So, we'll just say it's roughly 1 in 7 or 8 you're going to flop a set in general. So basically, by making them put in 17 with $100 stacks means that they have to risk flopping a set one out of every 5.8 times instead ($100 - $17 to call) which is a horrible price for them to call. And as for a hand like 34s against a hand like AKo which is generally about 60/40, he has to call a $13 raise to possibly win $25 already in the pot (almost but not qutie a 2:1 ratio), but that's only IF you have 2 overs is he even getting close to drawing odds of beating you, and more often than not the flop will bring 2 if not 3 overcards on the board which will generally scare someone off their hand anyway, so I would imagine guys would have to be getting a lot better price on calls to even consider gambling it up like you raised them.
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:44 AM
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But anyways, if you play the same tables everyday, you will begin to notice that if people are squeezing either for value with hands such as AK and QQ+ where they are hoping to get reraised all in, or they are bluffing as a squeeze play with some trash hand to try to win the pot (but don't mind folding if they get reshoved) then you will typically see $15, sometimes $14, maybe $16, but $17 and $13 both higher and lower than those figures are just kinda weird and not too normal, or should I say "standard" as compared to most players because they are either putting in too much as a bluff, or they are putting in too little if they are going for value with those amounts above and below $15 for the reasons I pointed out above.
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didnt you pretty much describe exactly why you should be raising as much as i did?

and i wasnt joking ask around and post back here what they think cuz id like to get some opinions on this and see what others think
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alright, i posted it, I'll post some replies in the hand history forum as they come in, since this is a hand history we're talking about anyways.
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